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From the laptops of: André Chaperon & Steve Gray
(that's us below, with Joe Polish in the middle)
Locations: Marbella, Spain & McKinney, Texas
About: Building Lucrative "Tiny Little Businesses" Online

Andre & Steve with Joe Polish

Tiny Little Businesses (Affiliate Edition) cost $49.95 per month for 7 months. So your total investment over 7 months will be $349.65.

You can cancel your monthly subscription to TLB at anytime you choose. Please watch the video above to get a detailed list of what you get within Tiny Little Businesses.


Charter TLB Member
Brandon Ellis

Tiny Little Businesses is a "BIG HIT" in my world…

Let me put this into context for ya…

I've picked up most of the courses over the years. Big and small alike. And 90% of the time, I walked away clueless and with no real game plan.

I eventually just started DOING things on my own and started to see far better results. Now I actually get to do this "IM" stuff full time.

So here are some quick stats:

I started Tiny Little Business right at their sneaky little launch date.

So I'm an eager little beaver. I took ideas from watching Andre and Steve build there TLB and quickly took action.

My site is actually referenced within TLB as a good example to follow (not sure if he knows that's me even ;) among several others…

So quick results, doing things TLB Style, I set up a site and got around 40 sales right under a hundred bucks each within just 2-3 days.

Not too shabby. Not too shabby at all!

Currently I am working on 2 more TLB's with one set to launch in days.

And I know without a doubt that they will be successful.

I can't recommend TLB enough.

Does the four letters W-O-R-K scare you?

Then stay away. Far away!

You might want to head over to ClickBank and find another shiny object to stare at.

But if you want a system. A process that works. Something different than all the GooRoo's are shoving down your throat.

Then I recommend you checkout TLB. Your bank account will thank you.

– Brandon Ellis

(USA, Jonesboro Arkansas)

Charter TLB Member
Widmaer Telisma

Even after few years of doing affiliate marketing, I thought I knew how to build a business..

I had very short lived success (twice) over the course of three years.

When TLB came out, I jumped on it eyes close knowing I'd get top notch service, info, etc.

And I can positively say that what I've been shown within the training has absolutely been VERY eye opening for me.

I've most of all learned how to treat my affiliate endeavor as a real business, knowing what next move to do and I've learned how to track everything down to the T … And probably the most important part, I've learned how to get "inside the mind" of my potential customer.

I understand it's a process and that first time around i may have couple of failures, but I'm very confident that within a year from now ill have a very profitable business and that it is just a matter of time until I generate consistent profits time and time again.

I can't count the number of products (too many) I've purchased over the past three years, and I'm positive if had such a program when I started out… I'd already be on the beach with the wifey and kids somewhere in the world ;) it's a bummer I'm presented to such a program after 3 years but hey …

Better too late than never right ?
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Anyhow..

Look up for my next testimonial in couple of months when I have one profitable TLB and kudos to Andre & Steve for putting up a GREAT product!

– Widmaer "The TLB Rookie" Telisma

(Canada, Quebec)

Charter TLB Member
Jason and Tammy Morton

Well what can we say? It works. It really works!

Andre & Steve have simplified the often mysterious and complicated world of online affiliate marketing into bite-sized, easy to follow chunks.

By following their lead and their step-by-step instructions, we have been able to finally build the foundations of what promises to be a successful and long-term Internet affiliate business.

You guys rock!

– Jason & Tammy Morton

(USA, Georgia)

Charter TLB Member
Marcus Santer

A few years back I invested $8500 in Internet Marketing coaching. When I compare that investment to what I paid for my TLB coaching I realise you don't always get what you pay for.

TLB is the best value for money IM training I have ever received. I used to take a: 'throw as much crap at the wall as I possibly could' – and hope some of it sticked.

Thanks to TLB I now know what works, what doesn't work and what to do about it. I consider this to be the best investment I have ever made in my IM education. I just wish I'd have discovered the work of Steve and Andre sooner and saved myself a fortune.

– Marcus Santer

(UK, Devon)

Charter TLB Member
Todd Herman

Before coming across "TLB" and Andre and Steve. The success we'd have with promotions, new products or even promoting J.V. offers would be hit or miss. I've been in the sports niche for well over 11 years now and you'd think you'd know all the wants/needs of the market. But our results weren't necessarily bearing fruit.

I've purchased Andre's other products and even done one-on-one consulting before, so it was an easy decision to get involved with "TLB". He always over-delivers and brings an authentic and re-produceable model to everything he does.

Where the rubber meets the road…

Unlike many others in this program, I wasn't using TLB to build affiliate portals. But, I was using it to build out a software start-up. So my filter on the information was a bit different. The results:

Within the first month of pitching the idea to VC's and angel investors, I've reached over $400,000 in proposed funding. The biggest reason is because of applying an air-tight model with outstanding research and a story (learned in the program) that is wowing investors.

I'm heading out to silicon valley in January to do 'the rounds' because of interest on the west coast.

I would never have had the success with this start-up without TLB and Andre/Steve. They've forced me to be far more strategic which has saved me hundreds of hours in mistakes and poor judgement. And, given me a model that is making it easy to assess opportunities to succeed.

As they say… the proof is in the pudding. Closing in on a half-million in funding for an idea, albeit a great one, is proof the TLB recipe works.

Please Note: If you're an info-junkie, don't purchase. You have 'vision' issues. Go buy 'The Path of Least Resistance' book. Then come back here.

– Todd Herman

(USA, New York)

Charter TLB Member
Rich Porter

Wow!

If you want to have the blood pumping, head pounding rush of Wile E. Coyote strapped into his rocket chair, screaming across the open plains at the speed of sound, rip-roaring after the Road Runner — Beep! Beep! — then this is for you!

Oh, and you learn how to build a fully functioning, rock solid business, too…

Do it. And don't look back. :)

– Rich Porter

(USA, Massachusetts)

Charter TLB Member

It's a fantastic training, it's so *different* than anything you find anywhere on the internet.

Andre & Steve you guys ROCK!

– Ram Bhatkal

(India)

Joe
Deb
Seb
Rich
Brent

We love surveying our tribe. It allows us to understand how we can improve. This is important to us.

So we asked a few of our members who are now making money as a result of our training — "What would you say is the most important thing TLB helped you with?"

Some of their responses:

"Your way of teaching has opened my eyes to what I see is really going on.

The system helped me to see that most of what is taught on the internet by our so called gurus is wrong because most is just deception put together by people who have not even made a penny themselves."

– David Yearwood
"Really getting into the lean methodology, not skipping the essential steps and rushing to creating something.

The most important thing for me was the use of the empathy map, trigger words followed by the presell lesson. Crazy good."

– Guillaume Devinat
"Its not profitable (yet), but yes im making money. The way to target peeps, understand them and tracking :)"

– Widmaer Telisma
"Conversions! Conversions! Conversions! Going from 1 page presell to 3 pages to SOS to straight aff sale etc … The hands on testing is eye opening."

– Robert Molina
"Thanks guys. We are holding steady at about $30-$40/day — with a few $100+ days so far (some days more, some days nothing).

Need to work on our SOS and expand our traffic avenues to make more and be more consistent.

TLB-AE has helped us with learning patience (success is definitely NOT going to happen overnight – no matter what is being shouted in the IM world), the interview process; learning how to really drill down to the "nuts and bolts" of the market research process.

Perhaps the most important lesson learned so far is perseverance.

Don't give up even when things aren't working 100% all of the time."

– Jason & Tammy Morton
"I think the biggest benefit was on seeing the big picture.

I'm the type that likes to get all the info and then get out and get my hands dirty. So, after quite a few modules were done, I went through them all and started taking action and then seeing results.

I liked also the market selection process of looking for passionate markets and people with needs, and then appealing to that need.

As opposed to choosing markets solely based on keyword selection and CPC $$.

But it was all of it. The tracking modules, traffic, everything.

I am pretty confident now that I could enter any market and carve out my own little TLB within it given a bit of time.

I've got that big picture of exactly what to do. My MVP. And everything else is just details."

– Brandon Ellis

… and some of the other random feedback we've received via unsolicited emails and other surveys:

"Just want to say thanks for doing this, and for being different. I feel like a true insider; I feel like I'm privy to the most up-to-date MMO info available anywhere."

"Great course! I finally understand how a web business should be built from A to Z."

"You guys rule!"

"I'm not making any money. I'm peeved about a lot of things right now. BUT? … I OWN the idea, the feeling … that this is all a PROCESS ;-)

So you've done a great job in getting that through to me. This is no black and white world. You can't "do this, then that" and make money.

You might, but you might not. And this training has cemented this. You guys have done a fantastic job here.

I'm not chasing silver bullets no more, ain't that really something? :-)"

"This has been perhaps the best non-live training that we've ever been through up to this point.

Being introduced to Andre at the beginning of 2011 and then to Steve via TLB have been great. You guys make a great team and produce great material.

Keep up the good work. Just promise us that you're not planning to stop teaching anytime soon :-)"

"I appreciate you guys. Seriously great job with the training. I know it wasn't easy to get all that content out. I modeled a lot of your processes so I can say that! lol…

Keep up the good work."

"Keep on rocking on! :)"

"Just wanna say happy bday to both of you.

The TLB training has been amazing. You're amazing.

I'm sad and a little bit dissapointed that I haven't been able to make my TLB work yet, but I still believe that it'll work, I just have to invest a little more on it.

It is not an easy thing to do when you have a 9-5 job and you're doing it all by yourself, but I do believe I can do it.

Next time I give you feedback it will be to tell you that I'm making my living out of this."

"Just keep doing your thing guys. This is by far the best training I have ever been involved with. Utterly amazing.

I take my hat off to you both and as sincerely grateful for being lucky enough to be exposed and trained by you both (oh and you too Anita) :)"

"Someday I would like to meet up and perhaps share an ale, after my first million lol!"

"TLB rules. Even though I haven't made a penny I believe that this is real, bone fide business education. Unlike all the shit I've bought in the past. I know I'll crack it eventually."

Winson Lim January 23, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Hey Andre/Steve,
I have several questions on my mind for the past few days abt TLB.

How much budget will I be using for advertising in MSN/Yahoo, Facebook Ads, Solo Ads, Media buys etc?

I thought that using a SEO traffic strategy using tools will be a surefire way to get targeted traffic thought it might take 90 days to see the traffic.

Will you be teaching SEO traffic strategy?

I have a budget, a flexible amount of $1000. Will it be enough for this TLB business to work out?

Looking forward to your reply.

Winson

Andre January 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Winson — the budget you’ll need really does vary. The more research and time you put in up front, the less you’ll spend on traffic testing what works. The more you guess, the more you end up spending.

But to give you a ballpark estimate, we’d say in the range of $300-500 dollars is a good budget to shoot for.

Again, it could be more or less. Every situation is different.

If you put aside $100 or so a month you’ll have a good little kitty to pull from when it comes time for traffic.

As for SEO…

We teach paid traffic because it is the fastest most scalable way to get traffic online.

SEO is an altogether different animal. It’s like a moving target. We personally don’t focus on “SEO traffic” in our own businesses (and are certainly not experts on the subject), so have chosen not to cover it in TLB (Affiliate Edition).

That said, we’ll be creating a site specifically to support our TLB tribe once they “graduate” from the 7-months of core training.

TLB Insider will be $19.95/mo (ongoing) and joining is completely optional. But it’s there to support (ongoing) our TLB core tribe.

We didn’t want to create a 7-month training program for our tribe, and then at the end — have no other way of supporting their efforts moving forward.

We’ll bring in other “experts” into TLB Insider to help us support our TLB members that want the extra support, more advanced content, and the community forum.

Long story short … one of our experts will be a SEO genius. So through TLB Insider we’ll be providing a level of SEO training.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

Winson Lim January 23, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Thank you for the reply Andre.

I get the clear the picture now. Your strategy is using paid advertising to drive traffic, get winning campaigns running to create an automated system. The disadvantage is paid advertising is a skill hard to master.

I don’t have any success with PPC last time. And do not have much confidence in applying it. I consider it as very risky. But if your training can completely covers on how to use, some swipe files to copy, demonstration on how to apply it, it’s definitely workable.

This is the core reason why I hesitated to join.

Once applied blindly, it’s like throwing money in the water.

Maybe you can elaborate on how you can help me and the members here on how your training will assist us in applying these methods?

Winson

Steve January 23, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Winsom,

Paid traffic is all about mitigating your risk when testing. And as far as skills go its no harder to learn than SEO or any other skill.

It just takes a bit of practice and knowing the specifics of what NOT to do.

We cover all that in TLB. Specifically on how to create your ads, how to choose keywords, how to test everything and track it so you keep the winners and cull he losers.

You aren’t forced to use PPC traffic. If you are great at SEO feel free to apply it. We just don’t teach it. All the info on customer research and avatars and presells and follow up email ALL apply to any type of traffic.

We just teach paid traffic and won’t be able to help/troubleshoot SEO.

Min En January 23, 2012 at 1:51 pm

Hi Andre & Steve,

Do you have a one time payment option?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Min En

Andre January 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Not this time, Min En — but we will when we open up next time. That said, the one-time payment (the fast-track pass) will actually cost more, not less.

John January 23, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Andre,

As a UML member should I sign up for TLB through the link? Or do you have another way you want us to join?

John

Andre January 23, 2012 at 2:38 pm

John, just signup through the link between now and Jan 27th.

As promised here, you’ll be entitled to 2 or 3 months “on the house” to TLB Insider, when it goes live in February/March.

… or better yet, keep your 2 or 3 months access to TLB Insider “in credit” until you’ve FINISHED the 7 months of core TLB training.

Adam January 23, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Is there any reason the training does not cover google adwords traffic.

Steve January 23, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Adam,

There are actually a few big reasons. The first is that Google is notorious for being difficult to deal with especially for affiliates.

Which leads to the second reason that we want to have you get results as quickly as possible. And MSN/Yahoo and FB are simply easier to deal with right now. So we start there instead of getting mired down in all the Google issues.

Finally, there is a belief that Google is the ultimate in traffic. While they do have a lot of traffic, there is more traffic outside of Google than in Google and that’s what we are trying to help you see.

You can easily take all that you learn in TLB and apply it to Google if you desire.

Bryan January 23, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Andre,

A lot of training usually touches on theory or even some practical training has a bunch of holes in it, and I know there is a lot to paid adv. and had not yet mastered PPC. Many times courses and big ticket coaching doesn’t go deep to what matters — how to track and optimize.

Will you get into the nitty gritty details on EVERY detail(what,why,HOW) in setting up campaigns, tracking (not just say track, and mentioned software to do it), setting up tracking, split testting effectively, insights on analysing data, optimizing from there, and then scaling? (Long question I know ;))

The reason I ask is because this is the most crucial information to help people succeed with paid adv. but mostly every training course just says you have to do the above without showing HOW people can do it to MASTER it and get a decent ROI. Otherwise, there will quite a bit of money lost in testing without that kind of teaching — which also renders most coaching useless.

If you guys are different and will get into these details, great, if not, I’d be better off just learning by testing on my own. I would like get more advanced training into making campaigns work with the details I mentioned, but every course/training/coaching I bought that even promised this kind of stuff left me in the dark, where as I had to learn by testing/tracking/optimizing to the best I knew and lost a good amount of money.

Showing me how to log into an Ad account and setting up the initial campaign is easy enough, it’s making things work that is the big challenge. You guys could very well be different, but your sales page doesn’t make clear the specific things you will teach people. I hate to buy into something that won’t teach me the advanced things that I’d like to develop or wait months for it to drip feed to me.

I’ve given many apparently decent “expert marketers” the benefit of the doubt and even ones that seem to real people like you, without learning more than what my own testing and trial and error has taught me.

Why can’t anyone be transparent in what they’re teaching. If helping people is paramount to marketers that sell courses to other internet marketers, why don’t they try being transparent! %$&%#!

Andre January 24, 2012 at 11:44 am

Bryan, we’ve spent a LOT of time designing, as best we can, each lesson so that it covers the 4 basic learning styles.

The WHY (35% of population), WHAT (22%), HOW (18%) and ‘WHAT IF’ (25%).

The two core styles we focus on is the WHAT (the strategy) and HOW (the technique/process).

At the end of every lesson is a downloadable process map or checklist, that summarizes that entire lesson onto one page.

We also have a ‘This Weeks Task’ section, which is kinda like homework for the week. We encourage our customers to follow along, and execute on what we’ve taught.

That way, at the end of the 7-month training program, they’ll have their OWN “tiny little business” making money.

Most written lessons come with HOW-TO videos. For example, when we teach tracking, we go into our tracking tool and demonstrate first hand how to set everything up.

Near the end of the training, Steve and I setup a complete “TLB” from scratch (in a niche we’re never operated in before), and show everything we do.

This is a time for everyone to follow along and compare what we’re going, to what they’re doing.

One thing worth mentioning though … we show/teach based on the tools and services we personally use in our own businesses.

These tools/services aren’t all free. In most cases, they cost money. But it’s what we use, so it’s what we teach.

None of these tools/services are compulsory though. In most cases, when possible, we also recommend free alternatives if they exist.

Case in point, we use CPV Lab for all our tracking. So our HOW TO videos are all based on CPV Lab. Those people who want to go the free route, typically use Tracking 202. But our training is always based on what we use.

If anyone want’s to use something else — that’s fine, but they need to figure out that tool themselves.

We of course can’t possibly cover every tool/service on the market.

If you’re still on the fence, see John’s comment, here.

Chris January 23, 2012 at 8:41 pm

Andre,
- Is is possible to get an outline of what will specifically be taught?
- I have previously purchased you ARM and also NL and am wondering if there will be lots of cross over between products?
- Do you have any case studies or testimonials from current users of TLB?
- I am definitely interested, but am wondering what additionally will be given over the great content I have been and am being exposed to on Affiliate Bully, ARM, NL, and UMNL?

I am a big fan of your work and just want to be sure the membership will be worth while for me…

Thanks for your response!

Andre January 24, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Chris, here’s the basic breakdown of what taught:

LESSON 1: Generate Ideas & Validate Chosen Markets
LESSON 2: Profile The Market & Competition
LESSON 3: Deep Target Audience Analysis
LESSON 4: Create Avatar & Empathy Map
LESSON 5: Develop Your USP & Hook
LESSON 6: Match Your Solution to Your Target Audience
LESSON 7: Outline Your Sales Funnel
LESSON 8: The Classic Squeeze
LESSON 9: Presells
LESSON 10: Email Marketing (The Big Picture)
LESSON 11: Create Your Initial Email Followup Sequence (SOS)
LESSON 12: Setup Your Site: Registration, Hosting, Configuration
LESSON 13: Upload, Configure & Format Your Sales Funnel
LESSON 14: Setup Tracking
LESSON 15: Driving Traffic to Validate Your TLB
LESSON 16: Traffic Generation — Bing & Yahoo!
LESSON 17: Traffic Generation — Facebook
LESSON 18: Review & Optimize Your Results
LESSON 19: Traffic Generation — Solo Ads
LESSON 20: Traffic Generation — Media Buys
LESSON 21: Review & Optimize Your Results — Round 2
LESSON 22: LIVE CASE STUDY
LESSON 23: ..
LESSON 24: ..
LESSON 25: ..
LESSON 26: .. 28

ARM stuff is covered in TLB, but not to the extent it in is ARM. Autoresponder Madness is 7 weeks of daily lessons. About 50,000 words in total :)

… but we’ve presented the core elements of ARM in TLB, remodeled specifically for how we build “tiny little businesses”.

To answer your Q, the overlap in content is minimal at best. TLB (Affiliate Edition) has been written from the ground up. It’s our tried-and-tested process, distilled into a (very) detailed 7-month training program.

Regarding testimonials … here’s one from a few hours ago. We’ll get more and post them up here. We have a lot of ‘em.

Tony January 23, 2012 at 11:59 pm

Hi Andre,
I’m just wondering about the following…
1) I’m under the impression that with TLB, once it’s up and running, you don’t have to worry too much about it and you can simply rinse and repeat, is that correct? On the other hand, paid traffic would be the main way of driving traffic. My question is this: wouldn’t I still HAVE TO watch it everyday regarding my daily budget etc? How hands-free could I expect?

2) This buisness model is quite different from traffic arbitrage. What would be the next step after TLB? I personally know people who are doing traffic arbitrage with cpa offers and they are doing big numbers. Is TLB completely different from traffic arbitrage, or they can have some kind of overlapping?

Thanks and your answers would help me make a better decision shortly.

Tony

Andre January 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm

> I’m under the impression that
> with TLB, once it’s up and running,
> you don’t have to worry too much
> about it and you can simply rinse
> and repeat, is that correct?

Tony, well … yes and no.

This being a business and not a hobby thing, there will always be moving parts (testing/tracking/optimizing) and commitment (leading your tribe).

The zero to $100/day (or whatever) is the hardest part that takes the most time.

… as in finding a “pocket of people” to serve, then setting up your initial funnel, then validating your setup, and then optimizing and building out your backend, etc.

Once you’ve done all that … then sure, if you want to, you can move on and create another one.

But the most leverage and scalability would be to continue to built out that one “TLB”. Deepen the relationship you have with your audience. Then moving on to the next step … as in, transitioning from affiliate to vendor.

… and as you’ve pointed out, “managing” traffic buying can require a degree of time each day too. Just depends on how far you want to build out your “business”.

Steve spends $500K a month on traffic acquisition, so yes, that requires a lot of time to “manage” (dedicated staff). But then not everyone WANTS to spend a half mill a month on traffic.

You choose how big you want to build your business. And our TLB training will show you how to do that.

> This business model is quite
> different from traffic arbitrage.

Hahaha! Indeed it is :)

> Is TLB completely different from
> traffic arbitrage, or they can have
> some kind of overlapping?

Completely different.

We teach you how to build an “asset” (like a micro-brand).

Bing/Yahoo!, Facebook, AdWords, email drops, media buys, yada yada yada … are simply vehicles to reach your ideal target audience. Your business won’t crumble just because one stops working.

This is all about customers and relationships. It’s the ultimate asset.

> What would be the next
> step after TLB?

What we’re selling here is TLB (Affiliate Edition). The next step would be to become the vendor. We plan to release that training at the end of 2012.

Our roadmap looks something like this:

1. TLB (Affiliate Edition) — that’s live now.
2. TLB Insider — end of Q1, beginning of Q2.
3. TLB (Vendor Edition) — end of Q4.

John Bogdanski January 24, 2012 at 4:26 am

I sign up with in minutes of this going live.

I spent sunday going through week one (completing it) and I’m attempting to reverse engineer the 1st email sent to get people to the order page. ( I like how these guys think and I want to really get my arms around their unique perspective)

For anyone that’s interested but hasn’t ordered yet… I’ve got scribbled notes all over week 1 WITH a much clearer understanding of the process.

I’ve heard bits and pieces of this information before BUT I have never heard it described like this. Andre and Steve are amazing teachers.

I noticed there’s some concern in the earlier comments regarding traffic.

I get that.

But frankly if there was NO module offered on traffic, just based what I’m seeing in week 1 this freakin’ course would be incredibly worth it.

If you’re on the fence do your self a big favor and have a look at it. Read it, then read it again… brimin’ with great “actionable” information and if it’s not for you just get your $ back.

Trust me once you see this stuff and see how it’s presented you won’t be disappointed.

Fact is (no offense Andre and Steve) the less people that sign up for this the better. There’s GOLD in here and the less people that know about this the better.

John
P.S. Really guys you won’t be disappointed.

Andre January 24, 2012 at 10:46 am

John, thanks for the kudos. We appreciate it. No doubt you can tell that we care deeply about our tribe. Creating content that is remarkable is what we’ve tried damn hard to do.

Glad you’re already liking what you’ve seen so far. It gets better tho :)

Steve January 24, 2012 at 5:11 pm

John,

Thanks for the feedback. Andre and I have really tried very hard to create the training we wish we had when we were starting out.

Really glad you are liking it .

John Bogdanski January 26, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Steve… Andre… I’ve taken PATH A and been Frank for WAY to looong.

Been there and done that over and over again!!! — OK… there… I’ve said it :(

No one really gives you all the pieces or the steps to really wrap your head around what you need to do and WHY you need to do it.

I was really turned off by this whole “guru” thing. As teachers most of them really suck.

Truth is I’ve been following you guys for a while and working on de-constructing your stuff.

Yeah I have been…

Andre I know you said it gets better. WOW I can’t freakin’ wait.

1 more thing – Just from week one — now when I go back and see how you’ve set up all your stuff (emails and web pages) I’m starting to connect the dots. DAMN it’s right there…

Right in front of me.

But it took me reading week one 2X to start to finally see it.

BUT here’s the “damaging admission” about your product….

I’m not sure if I can wait to get this dripped out over 7 months…. Really… I want to get it faster… I want to get my hands on more of this stuff NOW.

OK maybe I sound like a lunatic in this post, but I’ve been at this for a while and out of all the courses I’ve seen yours makes the most sense and is the easiest to understand and implement. (or at least is seems that way at week one and I’ve learned to trust you guys so if Andre says “it’s going to get better”, it’s going to get better)

But guys, can we work something out so I can get this faster? I’ve got a site with 6,000+ emails (not a perfect market based on week 1- thank you for helping me cut my losses) but I’ve also got a hard product ready to launch in a market that meets week ones criteria 110%.

So maybe you can see why I’m anxious and want to get going on this?

Sincerely
John Bogdanski

Taco Verhoef January 24, 2012 at 6:17 pm

I don’t have the money to purchase right now, but I want to in the near future because of your teaching paid traffic sources and I never had a good course about that. Is there a waiting list I could be put on, as this offer closes in a weeks time?

Andre January 24, 2012 at 6:42 pm

Taco, we’ll put up the waiting list as soon as we pull this offer down later this week. So come back then.

Ricky January 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Hi guys

I’ve been “Frank” for years now and when I look back at all the many thousands of dollars I’ve spent on courses that claim to be THE complete business I’ve been looking for it breaks my heart.

Your “sales” letter spoke directly to me and although I’ve gotten to the point now where I can actually spot and ignore the “too good to be true” guru pitches, I’m still not ready to give up on the notion that I can indeed build a real online business that can support my family. I’m really hoping this will be different.

I’m seriously considering joining this group, which by itself is a great achievement considering I used to be a Shiny Object Impulse Buyer.

I do have a couple questions though:

1. How soon before the 7 months is up can I realistically expect to start seeing an income from your methods?
2. Will the training be drip fed or will I be able to access all the training at once and move at my own (varying) speed?
3. Is it more video based or text based?

Thanks
Ricky

Andre January 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm

Ricky, we’ve tried hard NOT to make TLB sound like another shinny object thingy. It’s not. Far from it.

To answer your Qs:

1. We start to teach traffic in Lesson 16, which is 16 weeks in (or around 4 months in).

We spend a lot of time and detail on the stuff leading up to traffic. Because it’s as important as hell (certainly in the beginning).

When you get better at the process, there’s no reason why you can’t build an entire TLB MVP within a few hours, ready for testing. But I’m prob’ly getting ahead of myself now.

2. It’s dispensed one “lesson” per week. But believe me, you’ll not be left twiddling your thumbs with nothing to do between lessons.

In fact, quite the opposite. It’s a fine balance really. Too slow and you’ll get bored and start to procrastinate on executables.

Too fast and you’ll fall behind and get overwhelmed. We’ve tried and tested this format for 6 months now, and it’s working perfectly.

3. Both. Lots of text. We then use video to “enhance” the learning experience, not BLOAT it needlessly.

Videos are typically 30 or so minutes long. Punchy to the point stuff. Not HOURS and HOURS of boring commentary with little how-to action.

Hope that answers your Qs. If you have any more, you know where to find us.

Ricky January 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm

Ok great

I’m really not a fan of video. I’ve bought so many courses that I didn’t finish going through because there were too many videos and all they really did was just put me to sleep.. literally!

I realize that one of my biggest problems is that I don’t have a solid foundation and I’ll probably have to unlearn a lot of stuff that’s just floating around in my head, so I’m glad you’re gonna be spending so much time on the fundamentals.

Esab's January 24, 2012 at 8:51 pm

I’m sold. Sold long before TLB was reopened. But problem is, I can’t pay because PayPal won’t let me (and the clock is ticking)… I live in Nigeria, a country that PayPal considers ‘high-risk’. Sad but I really want to get in.

So please, Andre. Could you work out an alternative mode of payment for me (and others like me)? I can pay via my credit card so long as PayPal isn’t required. Please give a Matt a chance.

Andre January 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm

Esab’s, we use ClickBank to process our orders — and they accept *all* major credit cards (not just PayPal). Do you not see the credit card option?

UPDATE: Doesn’t look like CB accept CC payments from Nigeria. So not sure what to suggest.

Esab's January 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm

Yes, Clickbank doesn’t accept payments from Nigeria. Too bad for me… and I really don’t want to miss out on this. I won’t mind having to make a one-time payment for the 7-month long program using any viable alternative. You have to help me out, Andre :)

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:48 am

Esab’s, read this.

Mike Russell January 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm

Hi Andre & Steve,
I have been interested in your marketing techniques for some time now and appreciate the opportunity that TLB offers. I have just one question at this point before signing up.
Can your marketing techniques be used to market my book or do your methods really apply to affiliate type products?
Thanks

Steve January 24, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Mike,

Absolutely! The processes can apply to anything you are marketing. You can market info products or physical products or services.

The principles are the same. Find a market, find what they want and give it to them.

You might have a bit more work todo because you are trying to take a product and find the market for it. We teach it the other way find a market and then give them the product they want.

So you may run into challenges depending on what you are trying to market. Do your customers actually want it or the information?

This is actually the hardest for some content creators to deal with. They may find that all their hard work isn’t “wanted” by the market and that customers won’t spend money for it.

I don’t know about your specific situation or market so I can’t say about your specific situation.

But here is the bottom line. TLB techniques will work for any product that has a market for it. But TLB isn’t a magic process that will work for a product that no one wants to buy.

rob January 24, 2012 at 9:36 pm

I’m one of those ‘tards that can’t seem to choose a market.

I’d almost be better off if I was just assigned one.

Other than using a dartboard, what suggestions do you have for picking one?

And are there any markets you think would NOT be conducive to this approach?

Andre January 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm

Rob, start here. Step 1 should help you.

As for your second Q … things like spyware, where they are few or no obvious backend opportunities. Where once the “issue” has been solved, you lose the customer.

kim January 25, 2012 at 9:37 am

I have been looking into plr marketing for a while and basically reading a lot.
I am not a tekkie, brain dead to a certain degree.
This seems like a lot of studying and obviously gaining a lot of well worth knowledge along the way.
At what stage in ‘time’ during the study phase can you see any monies coming in through the door.
What kind of outlay are we talking about to advertise (average), that sounds like how long is a piece of string, but need some kind of idea of what is required here to make this work for me.
How many study hours per subject on average are we dealing with.
Many thanks for reading this.

Andre January 25, 2012 at 10:16 am

Kim, we aren’t into “PLR marketing”. This as nothing to do with that.

All your other questions have already been asked, and answered above. So just go through the other comments.

> How many study hours per subject on
> average are we dealing with.

The short answer is, however long it takes. Everyone has different skills and abilities.

Ballpark … perhaps an hour or two PER DAY.

If you have any other Q, we’ll be happy to answer it.

Ken January 25, 2012 at 11:26 am

Hi Andre & Steve,
Most of my questions have been asked by others and answered but I still have got a few questions:

obviously you guys will keep selling this course to more and more people. I’m a little worried cos what if more and more people start taking the same approach? Will it still work? Especially what if those “gurus” start taking the same/similar approach? Will we lose that “advantage” when it’s less known?

The other question is this: you’ve said that the actual product you’re promoting is no longer that important. Once those people are sold, they’ll just buy whatever you recommend. But as an ethical marketer, I want to make sure the products are good. How can I know it’s good or not? Maybe I should buy it myself and test it(or ask for a review copy). But what if it takes a long time to test? for example, an ebook talking about losing weight by working out for 12 months. would you really recommend I test the method in the ebook for 12 months before I make a decision of promoting it or not? I don’t think so….that’s 12 months! But if I don’t test it, how could I possibly know it’s a good ebook and the method it teaches actually works? If I don’t test it, I probably can’t sleep as an ethical marketer…can you see where my puzzle is at?

Last question is this: what kind of products would you typically promote? Steve said the method works with any products—electronic and physical. What about CPA offers? Do you consider CPA offers a scam and stay away from them, or you wouldn’t mind promote them?

Also, with physical products, because the economy is pretty bad now….people tend to compare prices. Would all my effort become a waste of time in the end? I’m worried about the fact that most people, if not all, tend to buy stuff from the cheapest or most famous(like amazon) sites, even if I build a good relationship with them. For them, price is the bottom line and why would they want to pay more for the same physical product?

I’ve asked all my questions. I’ll make a decision quickly once I get your answers.

Thank you very much!
Ken

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:08 am

> obviously you guys will keep selling this
> course to more and more people. I’m a little
> worried cos what if more and more people
> start taking the same approach? Will it still
> work?

Ken, what we teach is not about “loopholes” and exploits. This is completely different.

So long as there are people looking for solutions to problems, what we teach in TLB will work. There are thousands and thousands of “pockets of people” waiting to be served. We show you how to build online businesses around these.

So no … 10,000 people can go through TLB and what we teach will “still work”.

> But as an ethical marketer, I want to make sure
> the products are good. How can I know it’s good
> or not?

Absolutely. The product (solution) HAS TO be really good. You would NEVER endorse a product that you’ve not been over yourself, first.

So either buy the product(s) yourself … or just ask the vendor for review copy. The latter works in almost every case in our experience.

> what kind of products would you
> typically promote?

We typically stick to “information” products. But no reason why you couldn’t build a “TLB” around pretty much anything.

It’s all about solutions to problems (that truly help people). We don’t promote CPA offers. I’m not saying that ALL CPA offers are scams, but a lot are.

> … people tend to compare prices.

This isn’t about promoting LCD TVs, where yes, price does mater. We don’t compete on price. Again, it goes back to solutions to problems.

If someone is desperate for a solution, honestly … price really doesn’t become a deciding factor.

Ifiok January 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Hi Andre and Steve,

Great stuff you guys have here and since I’ve been following you guys for a very long time, I trust this won’t be any different.

I’m also in the same shoes with Esab who commented earlier about not being able to pay due to restrictions by ClickBank and PayPal on certain countries (Nigeria to be specific).

I’ve however found a walk around to this by using a service based in the USA called Graphcard (www.graphcard.com). They offer virtual Prepaid debit cards in USD that can be used to make purchases online.

Once you create a US virtual address (setting you back $9.95/month), and activate the card they will issue (usually at a fee – a $350 card will attract an extra $28.95 charge + $1.99/month), you can use the card on ClickBank. (Remember though to use the virtual US address for this to work)

This is an expensive option but will work as there is no other payment option for TLB besides ClickBank & PayPal right now…unless Andre, or anyone else, has a better (less expensive) alternative for prospective clients in our situation.

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:18 am

Ifiok, yup … I think getting a virtual prepaid card is prob’ly the best way to go. Graphcard isn’t the only player. There are others. Like Payoneer.com (see TechCrunch article).

Eddys Velasquez January 25, 2012 at 7:30 pm

Andre or Steve,

I already bought and love the first lesson….

Will you guys be showing how you strip down thesis to the
bare bones like you have on all your sites?

Or do you already have a tutorial on this somewhere else?
(I understand it’s not so important but it’s just something I was wondering)

-Eddys

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:21 am

Eddys, yup — we have tutorials on how we do it.

Anthony January 26, 2012 at 2:39 am

Quick question, is the TLB (affiliate version) course similar to lead gen arbitrage. Where u capture the lead then direct the person through one set offers, then second set of offers, and then promote via autoresponder? Or somethiing completely different?

THanks

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:25 am

Haha! … no chance! TLB isn’t about “lead gen” per se. It’s about truly helping people. It’s not about pushing offers down their throat. It’s definitely NOT about arbitrage.

When we do do “lean gen”, its to have the opportunity to deepen the relationship with the prospect or customer.

Sammy Charles January 26, 2012 at 2:59 am

/Steve,

How rare to have an IM actually answer questions before buying. Andre I have always liked your material and sincerity. Steve I don’t know your stuff but do you really spend $500,000 a month?? on advertising? and none of that is on Google??
Fu…. is all I can reply to that.

Anyway, You somewhat answered my question(s) through others, but not completely.

So I have purchased programs on PPC only to find out I needed to purchase $2000 in tools to do it their way. Well that was more than I was willing at the time to invest just to start testing.

So if I get a different tool than what you are using or teaching, and then need to learn it myself, that might set me back or behind in the course? Could you reply to this?

Then you said you have tools you use, how much will I need to spend to buy all the tools you use in the course? Are they one time fees or monthly fees for those?

You said approximately 1-2 hours a day, does that include the weekends or is that 5 days a week?

I am very strongly leaning towards buying this so thanks for answering these concerns.

Sammy

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:43 am

> So if I get a different tool than what you
> are using or teaching, and then need to learn
> it myself, that might set me back or behind in
> the course? Could you reply to this?

Sammy, there are thousands of tools and services out there. Some are free. Others paid. So the sheer volume makes it impossible for us to cover them all, of course.

Plus … if we don’t use a particular tool ourselves, it kinda makes it tough for us to teach it :)

So we stick to the stuff we personally use. And can therefore teach it well and in detail.

Out of all the tools and services we use, the tracking one (we use CPV Lab) is prob’ly the most important one.

So worst case … you’ll need to spend an additional $297 to get CPV Lab — if you want to use what we use and teach.

But if you want to use a free alternative, that’s fine … but you’ll need to figure it out yourself.

> You said approximately 1-2 hours a day, does
> that include the weekends or is that 5 days a
> week?

1-2 hours is misleading. Because the real answer is … however long it takes. What may take one person 1 hour to do, may take another person 8 hours.

Each week you’ll get a list of “tasks” to complete for that week. Nothing should really take hours and hours and hours … but, in the beginning, it may.

So budget on 10 focused hours per week … however you choose to slice and dice it.

carl January 26, 2012 at 4:54 am

I cant use clickbank either. But i can use paypal. Can you please email me your paypal email address and i will send the money. They do have automatic periodic billing

Andre January 26, 2012 at 9:50 am

Carl, shoot us an email and we’ll get you manually setup.

Nicholas January 26, 2012 at 9:57 am

Hi Andre & Steve,

Pleasure to be invited to view this course.

I have only 2 questions.

1) Can more money accelerate the progress? (6 figure budget)
– Budget to hire programmers, designers, copywriters and even PPC specialist. You name it.
2) Are both of you easily accessible and be there to assist us? (Phone calls, emails, and in daily manner)

Thanks!

Nicholas

Andre January 26, 2012 at 10:36 am

Nicholas,

1. Sure. Because it means YOU won’t be the bottleneck, having to do everything yourself.

2. Depends. But prob’ly not in the way you’re thinking.

This is $49.95/mo BECAUSE our “personal involvement” is minimized. Meaning, we’ve already spent 6 months writing the content. It’s done now. So now through our content, the marginal cost of teaching one person or 1,000 people, is negligible.

When we answer a Q that’s not been asked before — we personally do that, and then make that response available to EVERYONE. Meaning, we’ll never have to re-answer that Q again. So for us, that works, because it’s scalable. Hope that makes sense.

What I think you’re suggesting is prob’ly different. If you want access to us “personally” (one on one), let’s talk, if you want. But a ballpark figure would be around $5K/mo (one hour with us 5 days a week, over a month @ $250/hr).

Nicholas January 26, 2012 at 10:49 am

Andre,

Thanks for letting me know.

Appreciate it!

I’m with Steve’s idea.

The real big money is creating my own product and control the margins.

I’m a huge fan of paid traffic and that is why your course interest me a lot.

Question is, can we survive the paid traffic + affiliate game long enough until we actually create our own product?

Is this course designed to minimize rosk of entering the market as affiliate and still be profitable?

Is your course actually designed to cope with this type of situation?

Thanks again Andre and Steve!

Nicholas

Steve January 26, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Nicholas,

You are correct that in the long run owning the asset/product is way you want to go.

In answer to your other questions….

I always prefer to go into a new market as an affiliate FIRST. Because once you get that working all you have to do is swap out the aff product for your own.

My partner and I (outside of Andre) have never failed to have a successful product when we start as an affiliate. The few times we’ve tried to be a merchant first have failed miserably.

Because ALL the success in this game is about the marketing. Yes you need a good product, but you can have the best product and bad marketing and you won’t sell anything.

So it’s much easier to find the right message first as an affiliate then build everything else around it.

Everything we teach in TLB is about how to find out as fast as possible if something is working and minimize the risk of excessive adspend and excessive time expenditure.

Shaqir Hussyin January 26, 2012 at 11:11 pm

i consider myself a pretty advanced marketer, and still bought this
as i know i can personally learn ALOT from you guys,

…..in regards to you rockstars teaching.

i love your style,
so much so – i have signed up my 15 yr old brother to commit
himself for this program for the next 7 months,

i’ll be looking forward to speaking with you guys soon :)

also – can we hire you at the $250 per hour – for any business questions ?
as in how to scale my existing business with paid traffic ?

or does it have to be TLB related ?

Thanks for all you guy’s do :)

Shaqir

Andre January 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Shaqir — welcome aboard, you and your bro.

… and sure, shoot us an email to schedule some time with us. We’re open to helping you with anything on consult calls.

carmelita January 26, 2012 at 11:35 pm

I’m reading through TLB Manifesto. Frik, that’s what I call valuable content!

Questions from the video above:
1. Steve says in video: “You’ll learn how to craft five different sales funnels that convert your visitors into buyers…then how to make simple effective squeeze pages ….” Do you cover in TLB the squeeze page method you use in AffiliateBully ? I’ve always been fascinated by that type of squeeze page (is that what is called the “reverse squeeze”?).

2. Video: “Month 2 will teach you how to craft a great USP and a killer hook that grabs your visitors attention…” That also fascinates me. If my memory serves me right, I haven’t come across anyone else (OM product owners) teaching an affiliate marketer how to come up with a USP. I’m only familiar with USP’s back from when I helped my husband create one for his freelance business.

Is a USP for an affiliate marketer (the way you teach it) similar to the approach of trying to build rapport with your prospect and showing your prospect that you have authority in that niche?

Thanks guys!
Carmelita

Andre January 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm

Carmelita, glad you’re liking the content. But that was just scratching the surface.

1. Yup.

2. A USP is really just the REASON WHY (the bundle of benefits) customers turn to you and not to your competitors.

… but that really comes a little later in the process. It’s the “hook” (your angle) that you use to get your prospects initial ATTENTION. Really key.

We teach both, of course.

Saeed Rouhani January 27, 2012 at 5:20 am

Hi Andre and Steve,

Really looking forward to this.

I sent you an email, asking if I can pay via PayPal.

Sending you this note as a heads up in case your inbox is swamped.

Regards,

Saeed

Andre January 27, 2012 at 12:47 pm

Saeed, yup, our inbox is a mess right now. Give us some time … but don’t worry, we’ll get you sorted out.

Brandon January 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Hey guys this is Brandon.

Andre mentioned me above as one of his charter members
case studies.

I mentioned another TLB I was working on which one I launched
two weeks ago.

The initial launch brought in 19 sales at 297.00 each. Well over 6k.

Now about to launch it out and expand.

This stuff works if ya work it!

You’re in good hands with Andre and Steve. I put my own
reputation on it.

Best,

Brandon

James Fisher January 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Read week one lesson and downloaded the video yesterday. Really diggin’ your teaching style Andre and Steve!
Time to start the action steps…
This looks like it’s gonna be a good ride. :-)
What was that Nike motto again?..

Mtn Jim

Tyler January 27, 2012 at 8:25 pm

I am going through my first set up (multi-level membership based site), one of the things I really want to know is how to decide on an operations strategy. By that I mean automailer, hosting, payment processing, ecrm, affiliate tracking, WP themes, membership software, etc. I want to know that I am choosing the right options for my business. Nothing out there seems to address this and I cannot find anyone who has a credible opinion… and if they do have a credible opinion they either do not have the time to help me, or I don’t have the money that I assume it would cost to buy their time up front!
Will TLB put this to rest for me?
Regards,

Steve January 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm

Tyler,

TLB teaches you how to setup affiliate campaigns from the ground up. We do use several tools to help us do that and we tell you exactly what they are and how to use them.

However….

In your case I really dont’ think TLB is good fit. You already have a business model and are trying to find the right pieces to fit into it.

TLB is about starting with a blank slate and building from the ground up. Step by step.

Andre and I really do look after our tribe and strive to look after them. So in that vein, the best advice I have for you right now is don’t buy TLB. It won’t meet your needs.

The best way to solve your problem is two fold.

1. Model what works. If you know of a business model like yours see what they are doing and model it. Use the same software, the same WP themes, etc,etc. Do that as a starting point and adapt from there.

2. NO ONE will have ALL the answers for you. You are going to have to do a bit of trial and error. Given you are following #1 above, do your research and find out for a specific piece of your business the top 3 options. Then make a gut decision and run with one of them.

You won’t be right all the time and there will be trial and error, but as long as you keep moving forward you’ll be going in the right direction.

Hope that helps.

Kate January 28, 2012 at 8:10 am

Okay, was trying to decide tonight, then I couldn’t seem to get into order… maybe you shut it down before midnight?

I was hoping to check out the CPV Labs tool you mention, need to do this on a budget (for now) and I was unfamiliar with that tool and what it was and did. But the site is down for maintenance… (since 11pm my time).

Anyways, let me know if there is a still a window open. I am not 100% if it is for me, but I am definitely interested enough to join and explore. I couldn’t find the “service delivery” method (is it all via email, or are there live group Q/A?s a forum? Not sure (and maybe I was skimming too fast!) Just wanted to make sure I’m committing to something that works for my schedule and how I learn.

Andre January 28, 2012 at 8:49 am

Hey Kate — sorry you missed out. But we were open for a whole week. We’d love to have you when we open up again. Just add yourself to the waiting list above.

Kate January 28, 2012 at 9:20 am

Yeah, probably shouldn’t have gone out tonight and left decision for last 1/2 hour :-) And now I’m confused about the differences between TLB, TLB “affiliate” and TLB’s to come… maybe I wasn’t your target market since I’ve never been a “Frank” and I wasn’t clear how the TLB’s differ. Needed to be asking Q’s earlier instead of scrambling at last minute for my own answers.

Thanks

Dave April 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm

Hey Andre,

I am interested in using this product to sell both physical products and info products (both as an affiliate and my own)

In the ARM 2.0 course you mentioned Peter who sells skin care stuff using SOS .. and makes a tidy sum.

Do you think that this course will be helpful for my goals??

Also will there be a chance to interact with you guys and get feedback on our work? Just trying to get an idea of how the training will work.

Cheers
Dave

UK

Andre April 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm

Dave — sure, TLB (Affiliate Edition) will show you how to do that.

But this edition of TLB just covers “affiliate marketing”. It doesn’t go into selling your own stuff.

TLB (Vendor Edition) will cover being a vendor (selling your own stuff), but we’ve not created that product yet.

> Also will there be a chance to
> interact with you guys and get
> feedback on our work?

Not specific/individual critiquing, no. There’s just no way we do that for the amount of members we have.

That said, we will have a private members forum setup (May 1st) where tribe members can post their stuff and get critiquing from other members (including us).

Earl April 16, 2012 at 6:24 pm

The video isn’t there. Just an empty space where it should be.

Andre April 16, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Earl, it’s working for us (from desktops and mobile devices).

And we know it’s working for others, because Vimeo is reposting that the video has been played over 200 times as I write this.

Try using a different browser, perhaps.

Earl April 17, 2012 at 5:15 am

My Flash needed updating. Problem solved.

Raza April 16, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Glad you guys are open again. I heard about you from Rusty Moore.

I make a few hundred bucks a month from my site. It’s been affected by Panda, so I’m ranking YouTube videos now, sending the traffic to my site, and building a list. It’s good, passive income, but I’m working to scale it by creating a squeeze page and sending paid traffic to it.

The question is this: how much time and money do you guys expect that we should invest per month to turn a profit? I’m already making about $500/month, and want to know how much to spend to at least triple that.

Thanks,
Raza

Steve April 16, 2012 at 10:31 pm

Raza,

I totally understand where you question is coming from. The difficulty in answering is that there are so many variables involved.

As you know some people can get everything “right” from the very beginning and the time and money needed is small. Others can take months and the time and money is obviously greater.

What it really comes down to with paid traffic is buying data. When you put up a lander and send traffic you get a result. The more traffic you send the more results you get and the faster you get them.

Then you take that info adjust your marketing and improve it and then send more traffic. This process is continuous.

So the question is really how fast do you want to buy the data? You can start out at $10/day in traffic or $100/day. Its up to you.

My suggestion is to just start, but start small. Once you get results you’ll know where you need to go next, with either more time and money or less time and money.

Let me know if you still need more clarification.

Raza April 17, 2012 at 4:46 am

Thanks for your reply Steve. Glen Allsop (from ViperChill.com) put out a free course called Cloud Blogging or Email Blogging, or something like that. It went into why creating an email list and selling over time is the best way to go.

I’ve always been intrigued by that model. Seems like you guys bake in the right psychological triggers attract the *right* audience, build a relationship with them, and solve their problems.

I think I’ll give your course a try.

Raza

Billy April 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm

Yo Andre!

Here is my situation.

1. I work in the IM niche.
2. I make about $500 – $1000 pm
3. I’ve been doing it for about 3 years
4. I’ve created some good products
5. I have a list of about 5,000+
6. Spend about 10 – 12 hours a week on it
7. Really looking to ramp things in terms of $/pm

Love your style and training, do you think I am a fit for TLB?

Thanks,

Billy

Steve April 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Billy,

Congrats on your success already. You have a great foundation to build upon.

While you can totally improve without TLB, I do think TLB will give you some insights you currently don’t have.

Especially with understanding your customer and the market, and with the your conversion process.

Depending on whether you are currently doing any paid traffic, the lessons on paid traffic could help you as well.

Here’s the thing….

You already have something working. The question now is about scale. How do you do 5X 10X 100X what you are currently doing.

And when you have something working and need to scale small insights can really make all the difference.

Just imagine if you got a little bit better on all the things that count like traffic, conversion, emails, etc.

They would easily compound and you would soon be doing multiples of what you are currently doing.

Let me know if you have further questions.

brian April 16, 2012 at 10:20 pm

Hey guys,

Can you tell me what are the other tools that are compatible with TLB? I noticed CPV Labs was the tracking of choice. I just wanted to know other than the obvious (traffic, hosting, domain,). What are the other purchases required to maximize the training.

Andre April 17, 2012 at 9:05 am

Brian, there are no “required” tools or services.

We personally use a mixture of free and paid tools and services, and we share what these are in TLB.

But we don’t ever push what we use as the only way. When there is a free alternative, we’ll always mention that too as an option.

John April 16, 2012 at 11:19 pm

Are oyu going to teach us to customise Thesis / WP themes as well?

Steve April 17, 2012 at 1:18 am

John,

Yes we do go over customization of the Thesis theme based on how we set it up for TLB sites.

However we do not cover every single aspect of Thesis. Its more of a customization based on what we use the most.

Please let me know if you need further clarification.

Ron April 17, 2012 at 5:26 am

Hey guys,

Being doing SEO for about 4 years, and making a good living. But the game is getting a lot tougher, and I’ve been taking a hit with our friend G lately. And I really don’t want to be holding my Johnson after the 500th Panda update later this year wondering what to do next – if you know what I mean.

I have known for a long time that I really need to get smarter, and diversify into paid traffic, collecting email addresses, and email campaigns. The list man, the list, right? It looks like TLB is the ticket. I have a few questions:

Is this CPC, CPA, CPV, or all of the above?

I was always freaked out about creating landing pages – the graphics can be hard and time consuming if you want professional stuff – is this DIY, outsourced, from templates, mix and match images, etc.?

I took the time to watch the CPV Lab video. Wow. I get it, but there’s a lot to get comfortable with. Not too worried as there is plenty of time. Are there any other expensive tools aside from this that will be needed to keep up with you guys?

I have known about Andre’s ARM for a couple years now (regarded by many – really everybody actually – as the best in its class) – I assume that ARM will be required?

Anything other big tools that I should know about?

As soon as I hit submit on this message, I am going to the order page. I just want to know what to expect on the tools side of things.

Thanks!

Ron

Andre April 17, 2012 at 9:16 am

> Is this CPC, CPA, CPV, or all of the above?

Ron, we teach Bing/Yahoo!, Facebook, media buying, and solo ads (email drops).

We have a lot of experience with these sources of traffic, which is why we teach them. Steve spends around $500K (per month) on media. So we teach what we do out there in the real world.

We don’t do (or teach) CPV/PPV or CPA.

> Wow. I get it, but there’s a lot to
> get comfortable with.

Ron, this is NOT about being comfortable, my friend … it’s all about being UNcomfortable :)

> Are there any other expensive tools
> aside from this that will be needed
> to keep up with you guys?

See here. But no, CPV Lab is really the only tool we really think everyone needs to try and get (when they can).

> I assume that ARM will be required?

We teach the parts of ARM that are relevant to TLB, within TLB. So you don’t need to own ARM before you join TLB.

… and Ron, welcome to the tribe.

Andy April 17, 2012 at 10:16 am

ok so I make a few thousand a month with my own premium plugin and then a couple more with other onliney things..and my list is getting on to 10k now so maybe I’m doing some things right…

It’s probably a complete fluke but it’s a fluke that keeps happening.

I think I can say it because I have a great product but in reality, I don’t actually know what I’m doing right and what I’m doing wrong.

I’d love a structured a-to-b-to-c kind of course rather than a bunch of ‘you could do this and this’ collection of how to’s.

..and I really want to get in to affiliate promotion and having a conversation with my list and I really don’t want to go down the path of sending masses amount of offers every day to everyone on the list. I just can’t!

I got severely burned trying to do PPC so I don’t do that any more.

soooo, can this course help me? (I’m not afraid of working for it)

..also, I ramble on a bit. :)

Andre April 17, 2012 at 7:57 pm

Andy, short answer is — yup, most certainly. I’d put money on it that TLB will completely change the game for you.

Andy April 18, 2012 at 7:42 am

ok Andre, I believe you.

The fact that you and Steve answered me and all the others played a big part in that.

Execution trumps theory , it says it right there on the tin :)

see you on the inside :)

rahul April 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

one of my friend already in your tribe and wanted me to join you. i wanted to know that when the forum are being start on TLB because he told me that you are from the last 2 months telling them that forum will be start within a few weeks but still it is far fetch thing for them. Even he stated to me that forum will be start from 16th april, 2012 but now you postponed it for May, 2012.

Can you tell me what is the exact date of forum launch so that i can know that i could get help if i am in problem. and also can share the insights of others.

Rahul

Andre April 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm

Rahul, truth be told — we did tell our tribe that April 16th was the ETA for the community component.

We decided to change that, simply because coordinating two “launches” at once would have been hard to manage.

May 1st is the new ETA, which is pretty much set in stone now.

jude ahimbisibwe April 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm

icant subsribe within your required procedures please accept bank transfers iwill transfger funds by tft please

Andre April 17, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Jude, I’m sorry then — but we don’t offer any other methods of payment. It’s ClickBank (they accept all major credit cards, including PayPal, were accepted) or nothing.

Main reason is that all our internal systems are setup to integrate with ClickBank.

Kate April 17, 2012 at 8:16 pm

The program looks great, just trying to figure out if it is a “fit”. I’m not an online affiliate marketer, have never been a Frank or a Matt (okay, I can be ADD like Frank), but am interested in developing (or perhaps finding) products to promote online in the fields I’ve been coaching in to grow list, leverage time, etc. Also interested in learning how to work with tiny list I do have effectively, and how to use Facebook effectively.

I’ve also been earning commissions through occasional workshops I promote – sort of a live (as opposed to online) affiliate business, though I would need to “package” what we’re selling to take it online.

I realize this is not about product development (is TLB “vendor” addition coming soon?) but would it cover the other bases? And I’m a little lost with all the acronyms thrown around… ( CPV etc…) and I’m half-wondering if this is too tech-y or over my head. Is this a good starting place for an (occasional) blogger who wants to get into online marketing?

lynn April 17, 2012 at 8:16 pm

Hi Andre, quick question…I am in the home based business arena (network marketing). I would like an honest opinion as to rather this course would be beneficial for me in this type of industry?

Andre April 17, 2012 at 8:34 pm

Lynn, what we do and teach is really market independent.

It’s all about people, and solutions to problems. Creating value. And achieving that through rapid iterations by testing assumptions through customer validation.

… so yeah, TLB will help you. No question about it.

Kh. Atiar Rahman April 18, 2012 at 8:58 am

It is a nice programme, but I would be grateful if you would kindly help me to earn money through Internet by articles submission.

Andre April 18, 2012 at 9:36 am

In TLB we don’t teach article submission. In fact we don’t cover “SEO” at all. If that’s what you’re after, then TLB will not be a fit for you.

Mark April 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Hi Guys

Having been reasonably successful in the SEO game over the past couple of years, i fear that the latest/ongoing/never-ending changes at big G make that a pretty unsustainable business model over the longer term.

So i picked up a copy of ARM and am halfway through that – and i like what i have learnt so far. Although as Andre says himself it is not ‘complete’ in the sense that it doesnt cover list building etc so i have been keen to fill in that gap as well.

However I am now confused about the next step! IN ARM, Andre recommends a course called “NanoList” and then yesterday i signed up for his course starting this Friday called LLB (cant quite remember) and now i find that TLB is open for business again.

I presume the best fit for for my ARM training would be TLB?

Thanks

Mark

Andre April 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Mark, ARM 2.0 will “enhance” what you learn in TLB.

My free list building course (Lucrative List Building Bootcamp), is great, but in no way a replacement for TLB.

I think Davin (below) has summed it up pretty well. Hope that helps.

Mark April 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm

Thanks Dave.

Im in.

Andre, looking forward to meeting up for that beer in London next month……..before i move to Spain, not far from Marbella, in June!

Davin Ogden April 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm

Well, I’ll just chime in here Mark, since I do know the answer to your question about TLB.

I’m a current member of TLB, and started off as a customer of ARM 2.0.

The answer is YES. TLB is exactly the course you would want to be a part of for implementing the ARM 2 strategies for yourself in your follow ups, back end, and into the future of your business.

Your hand = ARM 2
Your glove = TLB

In other words, the combination couldn’t be more perfect. Hope that helps:-)

Orestes April 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Hi! Andre & Steve,

I just have one question about something that scares me a little bit and
is about to develop my USP – Can I learn it without being a copywriter?

Thanks!

Andre April 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Orestes, neither Steve nor I are copywriters.

But we do pretty OK at that stuff. Mainly because a USP doesn’t exist in isolation. It’s supported by your overall marketing efforts.

So you really don’t need to be a killer pro in any one element.

Orestes April 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Thanks so much Andre for taking the time to answer my question.
So see you inside :-)

Thanks again!

Nas April 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm

Hi guys,

I am planning to get into product creation and email marketing. And I’ve already read ARM 2.0.

I want to if TLB will help me with goals.

My background:

Over the last couple of years I’ve dabbled a bit with SEO, PPC (Google, Bing & Facebook) and PPV. I’ve intermediate knowledge about this and IM. However I don’t have significant and
valuable experience of profitable campaigns and product selection for promotion. Also I’ve only run handful of campaigns.

Will TLB still be helpful, given that I’ve some experience in affiliate marketing and PPC?

Or is zerotohero or microbrandmethod better suited to my goals?

Thanks.

Steve April 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Nas,

ZerotoHero and MicrobrandMethod are little sites that Andre put up. Neither have all the detail and thoroughness of TLB.

While TLB affiliate addition does not cover product creation directly, it does cover the hardest part of making a new product…how to market it to get sales.

The hardest part of any campaign is the marketing. And TLB will show you how to create conversion funnels that work, how to write emails that make sales and most importantly how to research your market to know exactly what you need to say and how you need to say it to your customers.

TLB was designed so that even the newest affiliates can understand and implement the plan. But having some campaign experience will allow you to get even deeper insights. Very much like reading a good book more than once…

Once you go through the lesson I’m sure you’ll pick up important distinctions of where previous campaigns have failed and how you can make future ones more successful.

Let me know if you need further info.

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:06 pm

Nas, ZeroToHero is not a product. It doesn’t sell anything. It’s just good (free) content.

MicroBrandMethod is a site I built to promote a product. It’s not my product. It’s really good. But it’s not an A-Z kinda thing.

Go with TLB. It covers everything you need to know to build a little affiliate based business online.

Phil April 18, 2012 at 6:55 pm

Hi Guys,
I am probably falling between 2 stools.
I am technically proficient and understand about a lot of what’s required but I am probably just a Jack of all trades, not a master.
The thing is, I want to be able to access the material at my speed – sometimes fast (been there seen it, done it) and sometimes slow (some things need to be repeated and repeated before they sink in with me ;-)
So, cutting to the chase, is this material drip fed week by week or month by month?
Or is it available for me to enjoy in it’s entirety?
Thanks,
Phil

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Phil, it’s delivered as one lesson per week — for 7 months.

Although that may sound slow, it’s really not. If anything, the content is actually delivered a little on the fast side (the lessons are VERY detailed).

We WANT our members to feel a little UNcomfortable :)

Kate April 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Thx for posting Frank/Matt story… helpful. My “aha” was that online affiliate marketing is actually the “shiny object” for me, not the core of my business.

Just got ARM 2.0, feels like a great fit for where my business is now and what I need to do next. Excited to learn from you “over there”, Andre, and will definitely take a look at TLB when vendor edition comes out. (Is there an ETA for that?)

Steve April 18, 2012 at 10:56 pm

Kate,

Vendor addition is still “in the works”. No set dates yet. But we’ll let you know as soon as we do :)

And good for you on choosing to focus on the the core of your biz. ARM will definitely help.

Let us know if we can be of further help.

Pierre April 18, 2012 at 9:48 pm

As an ARM 2 student, I was planning to purchase NanoList once I’m done implementing what I’m learning. But since André and Davin mentions that TLB is the perfect companion for ARM, I’m wondering if I should only buy TLB and forget about NanoList or if there is still lots of value in buying NanoList on top of TLB. Can you please elaborate on this? Thanks!

Andre April 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm

Pierre, you really only need TLB. It covers everything you really need to know, for now.

CY April 19, 2012 at 12:07 am

hey Andre:

I am a little confused now.

Should I invest in TLB or Autoresponder Madness?

Andre April 19, 2012 at 2:29 pm

CY, both are completely different products. There’s very little overlap. ARM “enhances” TLB. But if you can only pick one, go for TLB.

ARM is not an A-Z “how to build a business” kinda product. It’s about how to extract more from your list, long term. Very specific.

So rather go with TLB. Plus, there’s two lessons within TLB that cover the “ARM stuff” that you need to know.

Hope that helps.

CY April 20, 2012 at 12:36 am

Thanks Andre for your reply.

I consistently earn $2-3K per month via SEO, affiliate marketing a ala product reviews style.

The thing is: I am a little nervous to pay for traffic. What’s the budget do you think I should set aside for paid traffic, if I implement your TLB strategies?

Hint: my niche is weight loss/diet.

Thanks.

Andre April 20, 2012 at 12:42 am

CY, read Steve’s reply to a similar question, here. That should answer your question. If it doesn’t — just let us know.

Kristian April 19, 2012 at 1:52 am

Hi Guys,

I only dabble in affiliate marketing with one of my business lists. Because I have followed the model of giving as much value possible before the sale and now following the ARM method also increasing the value post sale. I have done well when I have offered something. But I only do it rarely. I guess TLB Affiliate could be good for this business (physical products) when I find solutions that will improve the use of our education and product use?

Kind of like ARM2.0 + NanoList ?

However my main business is coaching and I know my perfect customer and have only focus on a sub niche within the main niche and within that sub-niche am seen as an expert. I have multiple e products which means I’m a vendor.

So my question is… should I wait till the end of 2012 for TLB Vendor or will TLB Affiliate be useful for me.

One more question. Would going through this course help you show your own affiliates more value and help them improve sales of your product.

Thanks for your time.

Andre ARM2.0 is awesome.

Cheers
Kristian

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Kristian,

We have a unique approach to affiliate marketing. So I have no doubt that, even if you didn’t want to do “affiliate marketing” per se, you’ll still get a ton from the training.

That said, there’s no reason why you couldn’t sell you own stuff instead of someone else’s product.

Although, no reason why you can’t be an affiliate FOR YOURSELF.

The reason WHY we teach affiliate marketing FIRST, is because it’s the perfect platform to test market segments pretty quickly and relatively cheaply.

Kristian April 22, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Thanks Andre,

I’m in and looking forward to learning and more importantly applying.

Cheers
Kristian

roger April 19, 2012 at 2:47 am

Andre & Steve,

Few questions:

1) what are the differences between: affiliate edition; insider edition; vendor edition. I read vendor edition- if you have or want to create your own product. What about others?

2) What type of products I can promote as an affiliate?
- I read above Information products.
Does it mean only Clickbank products?
How about real products like Acne product from CJ or amazon or ebay products?
Not scams like acai berry?

3) Support: Is forum only way or can we send email at least once a week?

Thank you.

Steve April 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm

Roger,

I’ll answer both of your posts here….

1. TLB Affiliate addition is the 7 month course described above. It teaches you how to build a solid stable aff business from the ground up.

TLB Insiders is available to all TLB Affiliate Edition graduates. It has ongoing training on conversion and traffic, copywriting and SEO. And will be a way for TLB Grads to get more from Andre and I.

TLB Insiders also has a forum attached to it to allow everyone to collaborate and discuss things. While the forum will be part of TLB insiders, peeps in TLB AE will have access to it while they going through the training.

TLB Vendor addition will be the training for taking what you have learned in TLB AE and leveraging that into a product of your own. However we dont’ have any dates or input on when that is going to happen. It is still “in the works”

2. You can promote all types of products as an affiliate. Info, physical, CJ, Amazon, etc. We specifically teach how to promote info products in TLB but you can take the knowledge and apply it to any type of product in any market.

3. No the forum is not meant for support. It is meant for interaction with other TLB members and insight from Andre and I. TLB AE has a full featured support system that will allow you to ask questions that aren’t current answered in the lessons.

And Andre & I do Q&A calls weekly for outstanding questions.

4. TLB lessons are available online in the TBL site, but you do get a new email each week when the lesson is available.

Let me know if you have further questions.

roger April 19, 2012 at 2:48 am

One last question: Do I get lessons in email once a week or the lessons available in the TLB site?

Teresa April 19, 2012 at 7:21 am

Hi Andre & Steve

From reading through all the Q & A’s am I correct in thinking that TLB would be a good fit for me since the site I am planning to set up after completing my research is offering a service within a particular niche. the site would include much content as well as affiliate products amongst other things?

Also, will it be possible to open up our TLB site to potential customers and make sales prior to completing the 7 month training or is it a case that we wouldn’t really be able to start making sales until after training is completed.

Thanks so much – this course sounds very exciting.

Teresa

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:30 pm

Hi Teresa,

Firstly, our approach to building “tiny little businesses” online is quite different to how it’s typically taught.

We roll differently. Our approach is very customer centric. Very focused.

There’s no reason why you can’t offer your own services. But you’ll need to validate a bunch of things before that point. And that’s where TLB will really help.

Secondary, yes, you’ll have a site up (and ideally making money) way before 7 months.

Teresa April 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Hi Andre

Thanks so much for answering my questions. And… as a long time fan Im definitely signing up!

Many thanks

Teresa

Andre April 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Teresa, awesome — see you on the inside.

Teresa Shirley April 20, 2012 at 10:29 pm

Just signed up and Im stoked:)

So pleased I managed to get in this time.

No stranger to affiliate marketing because Im aff manager for one of the UK’s IM leaders.

But I know I have so much to learn to get there myself.

Thank you Andre, been following you for 6 years now.

And Steve, it was me who asked the ‘how long to make sales’ question so hopefully we can hook up and swap stories on the inside and even help each other.

Im so excited – it was between this and another phenomenon going on at the moment but when Andre is involved it’s a not brainer.

Thank you Andre and Steve for this opportunity.

Cheers and Im having a couple of red to celebrate.

Teresa

Bill Smyth April 19, 2012 at 7:26 am

Hi Andre,
It’s 3 AM here and I just woke up thinking about TLB…
You’re manifesto reminds me of Dan Kennedy/Jeff Paul’s “…4K a day sitting at the kitchen table in my underwear” (yours is GREAT info BTW)
So the value content we provide upfront would be something similar in scope in which we tell in detail “what to do” but not “how to do it”?
Also when you talk about writing compelling emails and such, that reminds me of Joe Vitale’s Hypnotic Writing.
I’ll be signing up for your program later today-after I get some more zzzz’s, but I was wondering if I should dig that stuff out to use as additional resources.
thanks,
Bill smyth

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Bill, no need to dig that stuff out. Go through TLB first. Then if you feel you need to enhance or sharpen an element of your marketing, you can always do that.

… and, one other thing worth warning you about. Last night won’t be the last dream you have about TLB :)

Mark April 19, 2012 at 10:18 am

Im only a third of the way through ARM (so these questions may be redundant) and intend to sign up for TLB just got 2 quick questions.

1. Within the ARM/TLB method of using SOS & PLS do you also advocate sending subscribers what i would call ‘pitch free’ links to content or tutorials. What i mean is the lists that i respect send me product ideas as well as helpful content and ‘how to’ type stuff that isnt wrapped up in an offer somewhere down the line.

2. Why ‘Tiny’? Are TLBs structured to get ‘quick hits’ and fade away. I thought that the idea was to build long term sustainable income streams?

Thanks

Andre April 19, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Mark,

1. We can discuss this specifically within TLB. Because we really want to keep this comment thread relevant to pre-sales questions.

2. lol, no. “Tiny” as in you aren’t building the next Apple or Facebook. Tiny because the businesses you build are small and focused, and very customer-centric.

But tiny doesn’t mean tiny profits. TLBs can generate 7 figures if that’s what you want to build, over time.

Raza April 19, 2012 at 2:58 pm

Just signed up…

What do you guys think of “share to unlock” buttons to get more social traffic from your current list? Seems like a powerful way to leverage existing traffic and subscribers.

Thanks,
Raza

Andre April 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Raza — thats a great topic to chat about his within TLB (once the forum is up on May 1st). But not here.

brian April 19, 2012 at 6:21 pm

I just finished ARM(still new to list building though) and done IM for 2years but suffered many “frank” traits. :) I appreciate your guys approach from every other IM product.

Seems in TLB you are able to enter any niche even if you don’t know anything about it or have “passion” in it. I think that is my hurdle with going from the typical “affiliate” traffic arbitrage/niche websites mentality is being able to enter a market I don’t know anything about where I build a “personality” and build a tribe even if I am not an expert/passionate about the market. Am I right in assuming you don’t have to be “passionate” and knowledgeable about every TLB niche you enter ? (Like the niches Steve mentioned in video above, I assume Steve wasn’t a WOW expert or skin care product expert). Also do you guys mostly only do information products or also do physical products ?

- Brian

Steve April 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm

Brian,

The short answer is you don’t absolutely have to be passionate about the niche, but it does help.

The “passion” aspect is a delicate balance. If you go into markets with all passion and no buyers you won’t make any money. But if you go into a ravenous market yet have no interest in it whatsoever, then you will not have drive and attention to make it work.

I like to suggest that people get passionate about marketing and the marketing process. Then regardless of the market you’ll have the interest to make it work.

And in TLB we focus on selling info products, but you can take the approach you learn and apply it to any type of product you want. The process is the same.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

Peter Drago April 19, 2012 at 6:25 pm

Hey guys,

I don’t have much to invest in traffic. From my understanding, Facebook and Bing advertising can get pricy. What do you guys think about low cost sources like StumbleUpon ($0.05/click), Adfly, etc. Would that work with TLB?

I try to invest about $200/m in my marketing business. So $50 for TLB, $10/m for hosting, and $30/m for Aweber doesn’t leave me with tons of money to just “test”.

I’m an action taker, and currently have 1500 people on my fitness email autoresponder list (using free seo traffic), so I’m not afraid of working hard and investing money. I just don’t want to blow $200 on advertising in a month and not even be able to recoup my costs.

Of course, there’s always a risk when you do business, but can I get the most of out this course if I have a conservative ad budget (in the beginning)?

Thanks,
Peter

Steve April 19, 2012 at 7:44 pm

Peter,

There is a reason that traffic tends to be pricier on FB and Bing/Yahoo. That’s because it works. If Stumbleupon traffic was awesome traffic they’d be charging a lot more than .05 a click.

The key is not cheap traffic. Its targeted traffic sent to a solid converting sales process/funnel.

Realistically you are going to spend some money, and probably “lose” some in the process. That’s just part of it. But once you get it working EVERYTHING that you “lose” will be recouped and you’ll start having “extra” money each month in profit.

The key is just setting a level you are comfortable with and working within those numbers. You an always set campaign budgets which will guarantee you don’ spend more than you want to.

You can make TLB work starting with small budgets. As long as you are focused and improving your process.

We are here to help. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Andre April 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm

… and Peter, you also get free (cloud) hosting as part of your TLB membership. So that’s an extra $10/mo back in your pocket.

Chris April 19, 2012 at 9:25 pm

Is all of the training available right away or do we have to wait for it to be sent to us?

Andre April 19, 2012 at 9:30 pm

Chris, you get one lesson per week, for 7 months. See my previous comment, here.

Bill smyth April 19, 2012 at 10:11 pm

Is the free cloud hosting service compatible with CPV Lab?
Thanks,
Bil

Andre April 19, 2012 at 10:47 pm

Bill, no, the hosting will only be for “TLB” sites. Not CPV Lab.

Bill smyth April 20, 2012 at 5:56 am

Hey Andre,
I just want to be sure I have enough “start-up ” funds to give this a real shot…you sugggested 3-$500 for Facebook etc. ad campaign, and you mentioned CPV lab which is $300 the first year-what’s it going to cost to host that CPV lab? I looked around and it seems it’s going to be $75-$100 per month. Is that about right? Will you be telling us where to get the best deal?
Also, will there be any other costs associated with implementing your program effectively?
Thanks,
Bill
PS> joined yesterday. I’m psyched to get going but I don’t want any money issues that hamper my efforts.

Andre April 20, 2012 at 6:35 am

Bill,

Hosting a CPV Lab install doesn’t necessarily need to cost you $75-$100 per month.

We believe it’ll work just fine on a $3.96/mo HostGator plan. The reality is that you prob’ly just wont be driving enough traffic through it (initially anyway) for the hosting plan to be an issue.

We do give hosting options in the training. Like what we use.

Dave April 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Hey Fellas..

Joined up and Im well happy with my decision – Lesson 1 is awesome!!

I also bought ARM 2.0 and I’m now considering the Nano list building course you recommended..

I guess you could say Im a Hyper Responsive!!

Anyway – question is this.. Do I need the Nano list building course to complement ARM 2.0 If i have come on board with TLB?

ie is the same stuff covered in TLB as the Nano course??

Thanks
Dave

Andre April 20, 2012 at 5:03 pm

Dave, firstly — welcome to the tribe.

My advice … don’t buy anything more. Nothing. Nada. You have everything you need for now. Just focus on what we teach in TLB, and you’ll be all set.

Dave April 20, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Ok.. Ill take that on board..

Hoping to get down from the North East and meet you lads in London for a few beers

Cheers

Steve April 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm

Andre, Everything here sounds great, it really does. I even read through all the info on the affiliate bully site, awesome. So in the interest of full disclosure, what am I looking at per month as far as cost? Pooling the emails together here, I see the course, obviously ($50), CPV Lab (prorated $25), small hosting account ($5), Autoresponder ($30), advertising investment ($5-$500? What’s realistic?). Are there other “suggested” tools to be announced on the inside that will cost me? I’m seeing about $1500 over the length of the course. Part 2: I believe one of the above emails mentions having a website online and making money well before month 7. So what month exactly is realistic? We all know there are no guarantees and there is a good bit of an outlay to make here so I would like to have my ducks in a row and clearly know what to expect before jumping in. Thanks.

Andre April 20, 2012 at 7:47 pm

Steve,

We use and recommend AWeber. It’s $19/mo (but if you have something else, that’ll do too).

Other and an email autoresponder (required). And CPV Lab, which we highly recommend (you can always use Tracking 202 which is free) … it’s really just your advertising budget.

See our other replies here:
http://tinylittlebusinesses.com/#comment-1324
http://tinylittlebusinesses.com/#comment-1109

Yes, we do list a few other tools and services within the training. But none of these are a “must have”. And if there are free alternatives, we always point those out.

Steve April 20, 2012 at 7:57 pm

Andre, thanks, how about Part 2: I believe one of the above emails mentions having a website online and making money well before month 7. So what month exactly is realistic? We all know there are no guarantees and there is a good bit of an outlay to make here so I would like to have my ducks in a row and clearly know what to expect before jumping in.

Itu Molotsi April 20, 2012 at 6:04 pm

Man that is kind of rude that you guys did not answer my question…I have been using your strategies as far as PPC goes for a while and to see someone you admire highly not even respond to a genuine question kinda hurts.

Thanks :|

Andre April 20, 2012 at 7:34 pm

Itu, because of your request, we decided to reply to you directly (via email). Let me chase it up for you. Check your inbox shortly.

Itu Molotsi April 20, 2012 at 8:52 pm

Thanks Andre, :)

Just got the inbox and replied.

Bill smyth April 20, 2012 at 11:12 pm

Hi Andre,
I know this may be a little off the mark but I was wondering if you guys are looking into/developing a Pinterest.com marketing plan.
I’ve been checking this out recently and it seems to be a perfect fit for TLB’s.
It’s like plugging in to a hyper responsive tribe without much effort.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill

Andre April 21, 2012 at 10:23 pm

Bill, I’ve never use Pinterest myself.

I just don’t feel I have a need to (right now). You can’t do everything. It’s about picking your battles, and not spreading yourself too thin.

Is Pinterest a “shinny object”? Who knows. For some they’re killing it as a result of leveraging Pinterest. But it’s not in our strategy, and we don’t cover it with in TLB.

I’m not saying that’ll always be that case. Just right now, we don’t use it — and hence we don’t teach it as part of the core TLB training.

Jamie Hudson April 21, 2012 at 2:35 am

Hey Andre, love the sales page and TLB sounds like another one of your incredible products.

Anyway I do very well in the online marketing niche and have multiple niche businesses (affiliate based)…. BUT: they all rely on SEO.

Or shall I say relied on SEO… Since the first few panda updates and the last few these past few months my current niche businesses and sites have taken a huge hit… The income has decreased 10 fold.

Point is I need to get into paid traffic as I’ve had enough of SEO, even when I’m outsourcing 100% of it and getting a positive ROI (I treat it like paid traffic), it’s a pain in the ass and getting worse.

So someone like me, will I really benefit from TLB? And I know this is a difficult question to answer but; how long do you think it will take me with my current knowledge to setup a profitable TLB?

Essentially what I’m saying is… I know how the business works very well (been doing it since I was 12), what time period is realistic to start seeing results with the model using paid traffic? (Keeping in mind that I have existing niche businesses as well as copywriting, marketing, email marketing, other skills and so on – really I just need to be able to use paid traffic to make positive ROI)

- Jamie

P.S. Does this gangsta theme you use for your TLB’s come with the package?
P.P.S. Look forward to getting a heads up on the London meetup.

Andre April 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Jamie,

Thanks for the kudos, man.

> So someone like me, will I really
> benefit from TLB?

Almost certainly. Sure, some of the stuff you’ll already have a head start with. Like choosing a “pocket of people” to target.

But our approach to all of this stuff is pretty unique. Plus, building sites “for SEO” is a lot different than what we do.

Again. When it comes to copy and landers, you’re prob’ly way ahead of most of our other clients, but still, pretty sure you’ll learn a few things about how we approach this stuff.

> what time period is realistic to
> start seeing results with the model
> using paid traffic?

You’ll prob’ly be able to see results way sooner than most of our other clients — simply because you have more “experience”.

Meaning, once you get your head around our approach to this stuff, you’ll be able to test, learn and iterate pretty quickly.

> Does this gangsta theme you use for
> your TLB’s come with the package?

We use Thesis. So if you have that, sure, happy to give you our custom theme code.

> Look forward to getting a heads
> up on the London meetup.

Sweet. Beer is on me, if you do come :)

kriss April 21, 2012 at 9:25 am

hi Andre, hi Steve

Very interesting…I almost sold, Some questions:
1. So the end result of your training is one success affiliate website with targeted market , is it? (correct me if I’m wrong)
2. How much should I invest to implement your strategy from start to finish (finish=gain point 1) … its about cash flow Andre….. I have not much money…. so I should calculate my cash out and cash in… in seven months ahead if I joint with you.
3. I’m kinda frank minded here…. how much per month should I expect from implement your strategy? ( of course with all hard works that should be done).

thanks

best regards,
kriss

Steve April 21, 2012 at 8:49 pm

Kriss,

>>> So the end result of your training is one success affiliate website with targeted market , is it? (correct me if I’m wrong)

Yes after you complete TLB you’ll know all you need to know to have 1 or 100 profitable sites. The only thing left is your implementation of putting it into action and working on it until you get there.

>> How much should I invest to implement your strategy from start to finish (finish=gain point 1) … its about cash flow Andre….. I have not much money…. so I should calculate my cash out and cash in… in seven months ahead if I joint with you.

This is the million dollar question. How much money and how much time do I have to invest to get what I want. Well there are two answers to that.

Here’s the first and the one most people don’t want to hear. But it is by far the most important.

It takes as much money and time as it ends up taking. If you REALLY want your ultimate goals, then it doesn’t matter how much time and money it takes. Because you’ll do whatever it takes to get there.

Once I decided that I was going to be successful at marketing, REGARDLESS of the sacrifice, is when I started making progress. Because until then I wan’t all in.

And I’m saying this to everyone reading…

I suggest you approach this the same way. If you only want to do TLB if it meets certain time criteria or money criteria, then you most likely won’t succeed. Regardless of how good TLB is.

The key to success is being committed to getting it done whatever the cost of time and money.

Ok enough of the soap box.

Here’s the second answer. It can take as little or as much as you want to spend on building your TLB. The less you spend to get traffic and data, the slower it takes to get to the end. That part is completely up to you.

But YOU are the biggest variable. What market you pick, how much knowledge you already bring to the table, how much time you have to work on it. It all really depends on you.

So it is impossible to give you a exact number how much you are going to have to invest.

>> I’m kinda frank minded here…. how much per month should I expect from implement your strategy? ( of course with all hard works that should be done).

Anywhere from 0 to thousands a month. Your first TLB might fail miserably in which case you make nothing. Or you might get all the variables right and hit a “home run” where you make thousands. Its hard to say what the result will be.

The real question you should be asking yourself right now is “How committed am I to making this work?”

Kriss April 22, 2012 at 2:10 am

Thanks Steve,

I got your point… and you are 100% right….I have bought many IM products, become part or some best membership…. but in the end, I’m the one who responsible for the result no matter how good a program is.
So, once again thanks for your reply… now the ball is on me…
will I commit to success? I guess I still have few hours to decide…

best regards,
kriss

Marge April 21, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Your above email is all hype. You never say what the TLB is about,
what you are selling. All you say is the amount one must pay.

If this is such a great business, why not help the struggling people
in the economy by helping them. The person who sent me
emails about this has never responded to my inquires. That alone
tells me this is some sort of scam. If your program is so profitable,
i guess all you want is money. Sorry, I am not going to be sucked
into your game.

Why has no one answered my previous questions?

Thanks for nothing!

Andre April 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm

Marge,

We’ve not seen any other questions from you. This is the first.

Everyrging you need to know about TLB is in the video at the top of this page.

I have no idea who referred you to TLB, so can’t comment as to why they’ve not responded to you.

But I am going to make a judgement call here … and say, based on your attitude, what we have here in TLB is not going to be a good fit for you.

Please don’t buy. If you do, I’ll refund your order.

Elad April 21, 2012 at 5:43 pm

Hi Andre. i’m really curious about your program and I noticed that your didn’t mention using adwords as a source of traffic, is it because the last affiliate slap?
Is it not possible to promote products as an affiliate on adwords anymore?

Andre April 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm

Elad, we don’t teach AdWords in the “Affiliate Edition” simply because it’s way too hit-and-miss.

It’s not a secret that Google, in their AdWords program, aren’t big fans of affiliates. Perhaps it’s their inconsistent (outsourced) review process. Who knows.

I’ve had good, high-value sites “slapped”. Yet I see other “thin” sites fly through under the radar, unaffected.

So yeah, we don’t cover AdWords. For the reasons above.

Elad April 22, 2012 at 8:09 am

I didn’t realise until now…And what happening to affiliates with adwords is the same with Microsoft AdCenter?

Justin Wheeler April 22, 2012 at 12:49 am

Looks great. Have just picked up my course! Am looking forward to it. Shame your vendor version isn’t here yet as I am keener on using this for promoting my products rather than acting as an affiliate. None the less from everything I have heard about you guys from several of the people I trust I know I am going to get huge value from this.

Also looking forward to meeting you at The Warrior Gathering in May that I hear Mark is bringing you along too! Sad we haven’t managed to persuade you to be one of the speakers though, although Mark assures me he is going to drag you up on stage during his talk for a bit! :)

All the best,

Justin

Andre April 22, 2012 at 7:27 am

Justin, hahaha! … no chance he’ll get me on stage. I can scream like a girl.